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Originally posted by Vesnic View Posta twist of...incest?
Anyway Katie said she supported the character grab bag premise, but I think Katie had more ideas on the matter like everyone that has the intention of joining the contest should submit 3 character write ups, but I figure she'll pop in and state her idea better than I could.
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Originally posted by Usoki View PostYes, we are talking about an exclusively character-based grab bag. No, it will be not limited to secondary characters. But, yes, people could still satisfy the contest's demands by only choosing secondary characters. You dismissed this rather quickly, and I'm not sure why.
Originally posted by Usoki View PostPeople want to do things, and so now I have to change everything to accom[m]odate that? I'm not allowed to make them do things for the contest that they don't want to do? That sounds like a personal problem. If they think the characters are going to mess with writing POV, then they'll just have to pick different characters.
Second, when I said "people will want to play POVs differently," I was referring to a generic scenario where someone (besides the writer of a given entry) is reading a story. Since CYOAs should ideally be set up so a reader can do as they like (as much as is possible, anyway), my worry was turning a specific character you or someone else provides into a POV character might constrain a writer and likewise a reader too much, so that's why I dismissed that. Granted, it's just a concern, not an inevitability.
Originally posted by Usoki View PostIf I add more grab-bag elements, that will just further dilute the contest theme/challenge. I'm not really sure what you mean by cohesion here, because... you realize that this last contest was one of the most open-ended things we've done, right? Have you seen the contest history? Some of those were pretty ridiculous.
I was just throwing out some potential hiccups, in the end. You won the last contest, so do as you like. If I see something that attracts me, I'll try and enter. Otherwise, I won't. Same with everyone else.
Oh, and excuse me for trying to help out, fuckface. d(^_^)
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IWT 9 ... with a twist?
A thought occurred to me tonight as I was researching various occult subjects online. Things are not always as they seem. So perhaps we will have a contest theme this year...
which is only the beginning of a larger, stranger theme...
For example, let's say you decide to make the theme "vampires". Vampires with a twist of...incest? The adventure would be to write a story in which vampires and incest were co-themes, and uniquely related in some way invented by the author. They must be two sides of the same coin, not merely two separate themes.
You could easily do this grab-bag style. Set up a column A and a column B, each with disparate ideas and themes in them, but perhaps with column B containing slightly more narrow, specific concepts. Then challenge the authors to choose a theme from each column that they think they could combine to create something totally new.
Think of it as story alchemy.
Some ideas for
column A: vampires, rock n' roll, primary education, board games
column B: incest, obsessive compulsion, corruption, automation
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Don't get me wrong- the part of your post addressing Dreamshell is pretty spot on. I've never denied that. Forgive me if I don't take the time to mention all of the people who I know also share my opinion. The 'shut up' refers to you constantly harping on me to post something. That's the only area in which you should shut up. I'll get there when I get there. As far as the debate being open goes... that's the point I'm trying to make. There is no debate. I don't care if(when) it becomes an egostatistical free-for-all, because I'm the dictator, and I have the final say. That's why I mentioned this up front. You guys can do whatever you want in the meantime. It's no skin off my back.
And, good lord, it's not like I suddenly hate you because you're being hyperactive and eager. I appreciate your in-depth critiques like you wouldn't believe. I know you're being your jolly old self, just as you know that I'm being my cranky old self.
If 'that spectre of Walking Coma' and 'that spectre of Being Really Fucking Lazy' are the same thing? Then I agree. Otherwise, no, I just don't see it.
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Originally posted by Usoki View PostOkay, see, here's the thing about being a dictator. It doesn't automatically make you an evil tyrant, and it does not mean that you have to care about your own wants and needs over anyone elses.
Originally posted by Usoki View PostIt means that, at the end of the day, you are the first and final voice when a decision needs to be made.
Originally posted by Usoki View PostYou want me to stop being a Doormat? Okay then. Ves, shut up. Calm. The fuck. Down.
Seriously, though, I'm just being my jolly old self--and may I remind Poop and Usoki that I just spent an assload of time thinking about your stories and carefully writing critiques that I thought might be useful. This is a "good side" of what I have to offer (haha, Locke, touche) that everyone seems to overlook.
Originally posted by Usoki View PostPeople want to do things, and so now I have to change everything to accomodate that? I'm not allowed to make them do things for the contest that they don't want to do?
I dunno what's going on here. I think maybe the Man is getting to all of you, that spectre of Walking Coma whose icy touch freezes the wits and dulls the senses. I see this ghost nearly every day, haunting my town and terrorizing its citizens. It's even infiltrated into my own inner circle, making humorless, angry lumps out of my friends and family. It's a tragedy, really. It must suck to die before you're dead. That's why you must FIGHT. FIGHT the dying of the LIGHT! Seriously, though...
Do not go gentle...
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Okay, see, here's the thing about being a dictator. It doesn't automatically make you an evil tyrant, and it does not mean that you have to care about your own wants and needs over anyone elses. It means that, at the end of the day, you are the first and final voice when a decision needs to be made. I don't see how asking for ideas and opinions makes this a democratic process. I didn't invoke dictator rights to make speedy decisions that wind up pissing everyone off. I invoked dictator rights to prevent weeks of bickering and voting. There's a difference. You want me to stop being a Doormat? Okay then. Ves, shut up. Calm. The fuck. Down. I will post the next contest when I am damn well ready to, and not a moment sooner. I hardly see how a week or two will make any significant difference when we will still have over 10 months to write the story.
Originally posted by dreamshell View PostOkay, so are we talking about an exclusively character-based "grab bag"? 'Cause the problem with that is people will want to play POVs differently...blah blah whine.
If I add more grab-bag elements, that will just further dilute the contest theme/challenge. I'm not really sure what you mean by cohesion here, because... you realize that this last contest was one of the most open-ended things we've done, right? Have you seen the contest history? Some of those were pretty ridiculous.
So, yes, this year's contest will be a character-incorporation challenge. When I come up with all of the initial characters, I will create the thread. This thread will include the rest of the rules, as well as the form to create additional characters. It will probably be up by this weekend, but I make no promises.
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Life is a butterflys....sigh? A sigh!?! BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHA! Oh Mr. Bear how I wish to play in your hundred acre wood and have tea and cookies with you sometime.
Your first story should be an autobiography. I want to get in the head of a bipolar bear. Figure out what you stand for man. You make life sound so....fluffy. I feel like I'm laying on feathery pillows, drifting softly to dreamland as you speak such peaceful poems in my ear. It almost makes me want to stop all the killing. Almost.
Too bad reality is a blood splattered mess of shame and poor choices. And baby body parts. And cow tounges. I wish I could live in your snuggly little world for but a brief moment Mr.Bear, so the thoughts of death stop crawling around in my head like a fistful of maggots.
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Why does the Lady Ves always seem so cross? Does she not get enough bear hugs in her life? Does she need a teddy?
Smile, my Lady! For life is but a butterfly's sigh.
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Originally posted by donteatpoop View PostIs it just me or is Ves overly hyper of late? What happened to subdued depressed Ves? The one who wasn't so damn bossy and didn't smell like Cheetos? I miss Cheeto smelly Vesnic.
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Is it just me or is Ves overly hyper of late? What happened to subdued depressed Ves? The one who wasn't so damn bossy and didn't smell like Cheetos? I miss Cheeto smelly Vesnic.
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Is it just me, or have people gotten a lot more whiny about the contest theme? For cripes sake, just suck it up and do it. So it's not the EXACT image of what you yourself would have chosen? Oh, well, I guess that's just what happens when you're not the one who chooses it.
Seriously, people, you're all acting like a bunch of bleeding hemorrhoids here. I can understand your hesitancy in doing something that is utterly and completely removed from your experience and expertise. But everything that's been thrown out there is at least feasible and workable. That's the whole point of entering a contest--you get to CHALLENGE yourself.
Doopity doo!
And Usoki, stop being such a goddamn pushover (...didn't buy your empty threats about PMing everyone else but me, though it was a decent attempt at oogliness). You claimed at the beginning that you did not have democratic inclinations, so be a good little dictator and just make up your bloody mind already! You wouldn't want people to start calling you Usoki Doormat, First (and Last) of His Name, would you? Didn't think so.
So s*it or get off the pot.Last edited by Vesnic; 02-15-2012, 06:29 AM.
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As final overseer, you could modify submitted characters however you see fit. Course, I'm sure you already figured as much. Anyway, that way you can control uniformity.
I'd also like to suggest that if you go with character grab bag, have like a form that everyone has to use to fill out their submitted character. Like a character sheet from role playing, or something. Might make it easier. Possibly a word limit?
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